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"When I saw the movie at the pictures during the mid-1990s, I remember the red in the film's closing scene. The Anchor Bay disc has always seemed very muted to me. But I don't think that on the big screen, the reds in the last scene were quite as red as they are in the screengrab from the French disc. I seem to remember that when I saw the film in the cinema, the colours were somewhere between the new French DVD and the Anchor Bay DVD: I still think that the old Italian DVD best represents how I remember the film looking on the big screen."
davidf de dvdvision.fr:
"The french DVD have been given the thumb up by both Tovoli and Argento, and have gotten some flack from "fans". I haven't seen it yet, but here are captures comparison with the Region 1.
http://www.dvdrama.com/news2.php?id=23259&page=2
In my opinion, it's not contest : french all the way. I mean when I saw it in theaters, that last shot WAS red not blue.
As the reviewer says, the HK HD restoration of John Woo's Hard Boiled have gotten similar flack from internet fans, when it is in fact the only copy to be similar to the original movie. It seems to be the same for Wild Side Suspiria.
I read the french review posted up, and it's totally biased : one can't expect every movie to look naturalistic with correct fleshtones and all the details apparent : this is not how the film ever was. As well, the captures makes the french DVD look bad, but they don't reflect how it look on a TV screen.
All over the web, people criticise some well done transferts. It have become a global sport, with some internet DVD collectors thinking that they are color timing professionals just because they own a plasma or LCD TV and a BR player and have bought several different versions of the same movie over the years. Well unless you color timed whole movies on HD (which is the job I do for a living), I don't think you should come and tell professionals how to do the job (unless it's a clear disaster like Dracula... which actually was made to please these very same people, by eliminating the whole original look and going for natural fleshtones and colors... most of the time).
Whomever says it's bad should get a new player and TV and perhaps a pair of glasses, it's practically a 3D movie so much it pops ! This is the movie as I always remembered, even the soundtrack (which I believe had a problem on the AB disc) is there in original italian with the soundmix intact.
I'm watching it all tonight (just viewed the first 20mn), but already, I can recommend this disc over the green/grey/muddy THX approved Anchor Bay."
"I didn't say italian was the original language, just that there is the original italian track / mix. The english dub is probably absent due to copyright reasons.
There's a bonus feature on the restoration on disc 2, with several A/B comparisons with past masters. This is clearly how the film is on the negative and always was intended to look. The 3D actually accentuates numerous problems which comes from the original shooting, like blurry backgrounds, burned whites in some places. Unlike the Anchor Bay, I find the color work to be consistent (ie the house grows redder and redder as the film goes) with the scenes and shots surroundings. In the AB disc, some images have colors and pops, intercut with grey / greenish images, making for a very bizarre and unpolished look, which this final HD made print doesn't have."
"The french says the HD transfert was done in Rome. They then did all the digital work a VDM in Paris. They are one of the top compagnies doing HD transferts, I did all my HD work with them. I did say it was apparently the same disc, but It seems not (as filmsactu suggest) (I didn't have the disc at the time as "apparently").
Those captures don't reflect at all what I see on my plasma screen I wonder ? The first two are taken when flashes were shots on the set, of course the whole scenes don't look like that, it's one of Argento quirks to use strong flashes to generate those distorded images. The last one, I'll check my disc tonight when viewing it (I just watched 20mn and browsed the rest so far).
This transfert generate a lot of heat (no pun intended), at the same time it was applauded and acclaimed in Cannes (where it was digitally shown), and thumbed up by Argento who was practically in tears of joy. They spent 200 hours working on it. It feels like the movie felt the first time I saw it, back in the late seventies, to me, while other transferts on DVD don't.
It does violate it seems, many rules of the transferts today (sometimes fleshtone aren't correct etc), but it is what the film should look like. On the other end, you have movies like Dracula which are hideously disfigured with all the colors gone or arbitraly changed, to look "modern", and people say it's ok. Filmsactu says Suspiria is revisionism akin to Lucas. it's crazy, it's absolutely not, it-is-the-movie only viewed throught the HD medium.
I don't understand the fuss, it's too bad I don't have anymore the original japan laserdisc to compare and only my memories. I think the japan LD was close to this.
Edit : I checked the pool scene, and again, the shot above is taken out of context. The girls swims and they look OK, then they pass a point where some red window is above them, thus illuminating them differently. I wouldn't expect their fleshtones to remains consistant during the whole swim, as the big pool is lighted differently in parts.
Now comes the funny part, nowhere are the white as crushed on my display (LG 42PC55 plasma hooked to pioneer DVD player DV 636-D via RVB, oelbach gold plated peritel cable) as in those captures. The captures make the movie look bad, but it doesn't look at all like that on a display. The girl on the left have her face white crushed in the capture, she is perfectly lighted at the same point on the disc I have.
I checked the part where Jessica Harper talks to Udo Kier. On Filmsactu, they show a grab where is shirt is white crushed. His shirt is perfectly clear and never that white on my display, at any moment. In fact, it's as clear as on the AB grab ! The etablishing shots on the AB does not have the same sunny look as the close ups (which were probably shot a different times of the day). The close up looks like a grey filter was applied on the camera, then it's back to sun. From shot to shot, the building behind them look either grey, or green ! On the WS disc, the whole scene is consistent.
The captures appears bizarre to me, that is not what I see on my TV. Of course, my settings are below the 50 line for contrast and light. If I would jack up my plasma to 80 or 100, you bet that white would be burned ! On all movies not just this one I'm questioning the capture method... How were they made ? Strange that the
Now, one complaint : the end title crawl looks bad and seems video generated, it's not the same as the american one, this I will ask how come to the publisher."
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