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| Auteur: | Film Freak [ 12 Oct 2010, 18:03 ] |
| Sujet du message: | Re: The Social Network (David Fincher - 2010) |
Sinon, rien à voir, est-ce que tu as lu le bouquin de Dominique Legrand (de Libé justement) "David Fincher, explorateur de nos angoisses"? |
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| Auteur: | Le Pingouin [ 12 Oct 2010, 18:25 ] |
| Sujet du message: | Re: The Social Network (David Fincher - 2010) |
Acheté, parcouru, pas lu. Rien de frais, en fait... |
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| Auteur: | Film Freak [ 12 Oct 2010, 22:32 ] |
| Sujet du message: | Re: The Social Network (David Fincher - 2010) |
Revu ce soir. Ce film est une bombe. |
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| Auteur: | Le Pingouin [ 13 Oct 2010, 08:50 ] |
| Sujet du message: | Re: The Social Network (David Fincher - 2010) |
'tain, je veux le revoir! J'écoute la BO depuis une semaine en boucle. J'ai rematé la scène du début, elle est fascinante...La façon dont elle évolue est terrifiante. Le film doit gagner en force à la seconde vision. Critique française pareil que l'américaine, donc. Le bonhomme de Télérama saute de joie, les inrocks, le monde, libé, filmdeculte, Figaro...tous au taquet. |
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| Auteur: | Le Pingouin [ 13 Oct 2010, 09:12 ] |
| Sujet du message: | Re: The Social Network (David Fincher - 2010) |
Fincher dans Time Out So David, why make a film about Mark Zuckerberg? ‘He’s fascinating, he’s driven, he’s smart and he’s incredibly intolerant. Nobody came do me and said, “Ya like Mark Zuckerberg?” They said, “We have a really great script – would you like to read it?” But this is Zuckerberg as written by Aaron Sorkin because I must stress that I have not met him, I have just observed him from afar.’ Do you identify with him? ‘I identify myself with almost every character in the movie. Yet as a director, I don’t feel you have to identify with your characters as a requirement to make a movie.’ Do you think it matters that Zuckerberg is not an easy character to like? ‘Look, I’m not an obsequious studio development assistant: a lot of times, people like characters who need to be loved or liked. I like those characters. I like Jake LaMotta. I like Travis Bickle. I even like Rupert Pupkin. I like characters who don’t change, who don’t learn from their mistakes. Charles Foster Kane was a spoiled rotten eight year old with a sled and became a spoiled rotten 76 year old who may or may not have figured it all out in his last moments on earth. But he doesn’t change. If I’m trying to separate you from your wallet, I have to worry about whether you’re going to like what you see. But I’m not. I like people who think: Fuck it!’ Did you try to make contact with Mark Zuckerberg? ‘By the time I got involved, the producer Scott Rudin had had the last official discussions with Facebook and they had parted ways. They had a list of a dozen “requirements” for their participation, and the first two were: it can’t take place at Harvard and you can’t call it Facebook. So, Rudin, who’s not a dumb guy, just said that discussions didn’t need to go any further: we’re going to make a movie about the litigation, as the depositions are all part of the public record and we can glean from them the drama we need to make our film.’ Were representatives of Facebook invited to see the finished film? ‘There was a contingent from Facebook Legal and Facebook Corporate Communications who saw the movie, but I don’t know the specifics of that as I wasn’t at the screening.’ What did they think of it? ‘Again, I wasn’t there, but it was relayed to me by the person whose job it was to deliver the movie print to the screening room that they were… appropriately appalled.’ The film has been launched on a very smart wave of marketing… ‘Yes, but my problem with the ad campaign is that you can’t just say, “Punk, genius, billionaire” because it’s using that narcissistic MTV flash to get kids interested. I wanted to include “Judas” or “traitor”, because you’ve got to have a bad word in there. “Punk, genius, billionaire” is basically a giant blowjob.’ The dialogue at the beginning of the film moves extremely quickly. ‘The first scene in a movie should teach the audience how to watch it. I’ve got a contract for two hours and 19 minutes. I have final cut at two hours and 19 minutes. As long as I can make it in that time, I can do whatever the fuck I want. I held this 166-page script in my hand, I got the first nine pages, handed them to Aaron Sorkin, took a stopwatch out and said: “Talk.” He did it – it was funny. And that’s going to pin people back, and you know what? It’s not going to start in black as was written. They’re going to start talking over the fucking Columbia Pictures logo! If I could’ve put the opening lines of dialogue over a trailer, I would’ve done that. It’s shut-the-fuck-up time: pay attention, or you’re going to miss a lot.’ One thing you’ve said already about ‘The Social Network’ is that you fear people might see it as slight. ‘It’s glib, for sure, but we’re talking about a lot of big notions. But yeah, when I saw the first cut of it, I thought it was a little slight. For me, it was an interesting bitter pill, and you needed so many spoonfuls of sugar to help you swallow it. But I didn’t want the sugar to get in the way of the sadness at the end of it. With “Benjamin Button”, the biggest concern was that it would be maudlin. I feel this is the right version of this movie. But I do like to worry. I was worried that “Seven” and “Fight Club” weren’t violent enough…’ This is your most talky film. As a director known for your distinctive visual sense, did you have as much fun sculpting words and performances? ‘There are two things I’m responsible for. One is whether or not I’m presenting believable behaviour, which is totally subjective. The other thing is camera position: from where am I going to see this person? People think of directing as the Big Circus: yes, 90 per cent of directing is getting the money and getting the right equipment and the right people and departments to create the right feeling out of the right context. In film, we sculpt time, we sculpt behaviour and we sculpt light. Audiences only get to see what we show them at that moment, I control everything they hear and see. I’m hoping that these elements will translate into feeling. It was Louis B Mayer who said, “The genius of the movie business is that the only thing the purchaser gets is a memory.” That’s what directing is.’ Could you tell us something about your forthcoming take on Stieg Larsson's 'The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo'? ‘For the record, this is not a remake. Steven Zaillian wrote the screenplay, started from the book and has chosen some of the same scenes to dramatise. But no, it’s the book. I haven’t really developed my stock answers to questions about what the film going to be like, but hopefully a "Chinatown"-esque version tucked in there somewhere. I actually think there is a real efficiency to the Swedish movies that more akin to Hollywood thrillers. I’m going to Sweden because I want to make a Swedish movie. That’s the production value here.’ |
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| Auteur: | Film Freak [ 13 Oct 2010, 09:23 ] |
| Sujet du message: | Re: The Social Network (David Fincher - 2010) |
Le Pingouin a écrit: I like Jake LaMotta. I like Travis Bickle. I even like Rupert Pupkin. C'est marrant qu'il cite 3 persos joués par De Niro chez Scorsese. Citation: In film, we sculpt time, we sculpt behaviour and we sculpt light. Phrase classe. |
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| Auteur: | Le Pingouin [ 13 Oct 2010, 10:01 ] |
| Sujet du message: | Re: The Social Network (David Fincher - 2010) |
Film Freak a écrit: Le Pingouin a écrit: I like Jake LaMotta. I like Travis Bickle. I even like Rupert Pupkin. C'est marrant qu'il cite 3 persos joués par De Niro chez Scorsese. Et trois surnom du narrateur de Fight Club. Jake je doute, mais les deux autres, c'est sûr! |
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| Auteur: | Film Freak [ 13 Oct 2010, 10:05 ] |
| Sujet du message: | Re: The Social Network (David Fincher - 2010) |
Le Pingouin a écrit: Film Freak a écrit: Le Pingouin a écrit: I like Jake LaMotta. I like Travis Bickle. I even like Rupert Pupkin. C'est marrant qu'il cite 3 persos joués par De Niro chez Scorsese. Et trois surnom du narrateur de Fight Club. Jake je doute, mais les deux autres, c'est sûr! Heyyyyyyy...Jake, non...y a Cornelius, Rupert, Travis, mais y a pas de Jake... |
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| Auteur: | Marlo [ 13 Oct 2010, 10:09 ] |
| Sujet du message: | Re: The Social Network (David Fincher - 2010) |
Tous les critiques français (pros et amateurs) profitent de la sortie française pour utiliser le mot "geek" à toutes les sauces et n'importe comment ... Super. |
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| Auteur: | Ihsahn [ 13 Oct 2010, 10:13 ] |
| Sujet du message: | Re: The Social Network (David Fincher - 2010) |
Oui je viens de voir ça avec le "Tragédie geek" de Ecrans Citation: Heyyyyyyy...Jake, non...y a Cornelius, Rupert, Travis, mais y a pas de Jake... Y a le bouquin qu'il lit à un moment "Je suis le poumon du petit Jake" |
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| Auteur: | Film Freak [ 13 Oct 2010, 10:17 ] |
| Sujet du message: | Re: The Social Network (David Fincher - 2010) |
Ihsahn a écrit: Oui je viens de voir ça avec le "Tragédie geek" de Ecrans Citation: Heyyyyyyy...Jake, non...y a Cornelius, Rupert, Travis, mais y a pas de Jake... Y a le bouquin qu'il lit à un moment "Je suis le poumon du petit Jake" Ah le faux, c'est Jack! (et y a pas de "petit", c'est pas un gosse  )
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| Auteur: | Film Freak [ 13 Oct 2010, 10:17 ] |
| Sujet du message: | Re: The Social Network (David Fincher - 2010) |
Marlo a écrit: Tous les critiques français (pros et amateurs) profitent de la sortie française pour utiliser le mot "geek" à toutes les sauces et n'importe comment ... Super. Oui, le bon vieil amalgame nerd/geek. |
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| Auteur: | Marlo [ 13 Oct 2010, 10:49 ] |
| Sujet du message: | Re: The Social Network (David Fincher - 2010) |
Film Freak a écrit: Marlo a écrit: Tous les critiques français (pros et amateurs) profitent de la sortie française pour utiliser le mot "geek" à toutes les sauces et n'importe comment ... Super. Oui, le bon vieil amalgame nerd/geek. "The Social Network : les trois geeks les plus sexy du monde !" Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (bon en même temps le site, c'est "Teemix") |
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| Auteur: | Le Pingouin [ 13 Oct 2010, 13:32 ] |
| Sujet du message: | Re: The Social Network (David Fincher - 2010) |
http://www.critikat.com/The-Social-Network.html Grincheux forever! |
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| Auteur: | Film Freak [ 13 Oct 2010, 13:50 ] |
| Sujet du message: | Re: The Social Network (David Fincher - 2010) |
Le Pingouin a écrit: http://www.critikat.com/The-Social-Network.html Grincheux forever! Surtout de mauvaise foi : "plombé par des effets visuels hors-sujet et une vision manichéenne de ses personnages" |
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