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David Swinton

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Posté: 25 Sep 2012, 07:41

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Le film ne sera certainement pas à l'image de la bande-annonce. Mais j'ai peur d'y trouver un Amistad 2, bavard, laissant trop de place à des acteurs en roue libre, et peu intéressant sur le plan cinématographique. Le plan de Hal Halbrook assis dans sa chaise de vieux sage ne m'a pas l'air très folichon.

En fait, je n'aime pas quand Spielberg filme des personnages de vieux sages qui donnent des réponses. On sent Spielberg derrière qui essaie de passer de grands messages édifiants, avec de grands sparages et beaucoup de smoke pour qu'on voit traverser la lumière divine.

J'ai peur d'être déçu. Je m'attendais à un truc un peu plus sec, moins "livre d'image".

Parcontre, Day Lewis à l'air top une fois de plus.

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Posté: 04 Oct 2012, 11:14

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Nouvelle BA (spot TV de 2min en fait) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... _PfTl63qQQ

Alors c'est super vulgos dans la forme, surtout au début, et ça joue clairement sur une vibe plus "vénère" alors qu'il y a beaucoup des mêmes scènes et plans.
Ca renvoie à ce qu'on disait sur le "pouvoir" de la zique.

Par contre, y a encore des trucs qui ont l'air de tuer.

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Posté: 04 Oct 2012, 12:20

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Ils n'ont qu'un plan de bataille en stock on dirait (ça les empêche pas de le placer 3 fois)

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On dirait la BA de Vampire Hunter.

Je préfère la première

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David Swinton a écrit:

On dirait la BA de Vampire Hunter.

Y a un plan quasi identique d'ailleurs (avec la silhouette qui passe une porte...dans le Spielberg, c'est une ombre, dans le Bekmambetov c'est le mec à contre-jour).

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Je préfère la première

Moi aussi. Un mix des deux aurait été idéal.

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Nouvelle BA (spot TV de 2min en fait) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... _PfTl63qQQ

NOW WE'RE TALKING!

Certes la musique fait la moitié du truc, mais au moins ça semble montrer des moments plus viscéraux que dans la première BA.

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La première projection officielle a eu lieu au New York Film Festival.
Première critique (super positive) sur HitFix :

Daniel Day-Lewis is mesmerizing in Spielberg's fantastic 'Lincoln'
Tommy Lee Jones is exceptional

Rather than taking on Abraham Lincoln's life as a whole, the majority of the movie looks at the time after his reelection but before his second inauguration. It is during this time that Lincoln opted to push for the 13th Amendment to our Constitution and ban slavery – an idea that wasn't hugely popular, but in which Lincoln (as seen here) fervently believed.

Introducing the film at the festival, Spielberg repeatedly promised that the work (one that has taken years to put together) was still unfinished. However, after having seen the film, it is hard to imagine that he will be making many more substantive changes (find a few better matching shots between cuts? shorten the ending?). My initial reaction is that the film is a fantastic triumph, one destined for awards glory this year.

A surefire player throughout the upcoming awards season, "Lincoln" seems like one of those films where everything comes together in the right way at the right time. Everything about the film is an incredible balancing act – it manages to be dark and yet lighthearted, it offers up both the personal and the political (regularly mixing them), and it questions whether you can do bad in order to do good. It walks a tightrope without ever falling.

Throughout his career, Daniel Day-Lewis has given us a number of memorable characters, and his portrayal of Abraham Lincoln is one of the best. Abraham Lincoln was a storyteller and throughout the film, the Lincoln we see offers up a huge number of stories to anyone who will listen (and sometimes to those who won't). The stories are funny, but always arrive at a deeper truth about the situation at hand. More importantly though for the audience, watching Day-Lewis tell these tales is mesmerizing – the film could almost work as a one-man show with Lincoln giving everyone's point of view and constantly interjecting his own.

It is more than just the soliloquies though which makes this portrayal of the 16th President compelling, it is in the way Day-Lewis carries himself as Lincoln. No one would argue the great weight placed on the President's shoulders during the Civil War, and no one would suggest that Lincoln's home life was particularly easy or happy, and those upsets are right there in the sloped shoulders and shuffling steps offered on screen. There remains a great strength within the President's body and when he needs to rise up to his full height and offer it, he does, but even when he is shuffling along, Lincoln's might is still evident.

Surrounding Day-Lewis is a large number of more than capable actors including Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Sally Field, James Spader, Jared Harris, Tommy Lee Jones, and David Strathairn. Field's portrayal of Mary Todd Lincoln—a woman with a great deal of troubles all her own—is strong. It feels somewhat over the top on occasion, but mostly she is simply overshadowed by Day-Lewis' President.

Not to take anything away from the other members of the supporting cast, but Tommy Lee Jones' performance as Thaddeus Stevens proves truly exceptional. Jones presents Stevens as a man conflicted about whether he needs to follow his beliefs (everyone, regardless of color, is equal) or whether he needs to play politics and disavow some of them to achieve a greater good.

One of the most memorable sequences in the movie takes place in the House of Representatives when Stevens is asked whether black people are truly equal in all ways or just equal under the law. In an effort to not lose votes, nor what popular support exists for the Amendment, he holds back and declares them equal under the law. It is a huge win for the 13th Amendment as a piece of legislation and a terrible loss for what's right.

A good portion of the movie is also devoted to the attempts of the President and Secretary of State William Seward (Strathairn)'s attempts to cajole lame duck Democrats to vote for the Amendment. There is a whole lot of wheeling and dealing that takes place and much of it is distasteful even if it's done in amusing fashion (Spader's WN Bilbo takes the lead here).

Here again we are offered up the choice between that which is wholly right and that which will manage to accomplish the greatest good. Kushner's screenplay, while it casts Lincoln as an unquestionable hero, asks how far can a hero go in the service of what is right. It is a question not easily sorted out and one for which the film hesitates to give an unequivocal answer. Stevens' answer in the House is exactly what Lincoln wanted Stevens to say, but it isn't a choice with which "Lincoln" necessarily agrees.

A long movie—it’s over 2 hours and 25 min. —"Lincoln" manages to leave one wanting more, but still a mite disappointed with its ending. The vote on the 13th Amendment is the film's climax but not its conclusion. It is almost as though Spielberg felt compelled to include the end of Lincoln's life in the movie even if it didn't quite fit into the story being told.

What does, however, fit beautifully is Janusz Kaminski's cinematography. The sets and costumes are wonderful and Kaminski's cinematography brings it all to life. For his part, John Williams has delivered a good, if not terribly memorable, score. It may meld with what is happening during the movie, but it may not stick with audiences afterwards

“Lincoln” is a war film and a political drama; a story of personal tragedy and triumph; it is beautiful to look at and at times horrible to see; and although in a Q&A at the festival Steven Spielberg said he had asked for the film to be released after this year's election, it is a tale of politics from 150 years ago that is just as relevant today.

Although technically screened as a work in progress, “Lincoln” is shaping up to be one of Spielberg's best.

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Et d'autres réactions Twitter, pas toujours aussi extatiques :

Matt Patches : Spielberg's Lincoln turns a defining moment in history into a human story. Day-Lewis is dynamic, but it's a great ensemble piece. Lincoln is heavy on the politics. But I loved all the behind-the-curtain government stuff. Kushner's playwright roots all over it. And man, there is so much comedy in Lincoln! Spielberg doesn't shy away from the craziness of Congress, even in a dire scenario.

Erik Davis : I loved a lot about Lincoln, especially the performances from every single character actor in existence. Day Lewis is a beast. The perfs in Lincoln are beyond great, but films that try to do as much as that one tries to do almost always sacrifice plot & character. When Lincoln is about a man who must turn his back on himself and his own values (and family) in order to change a nation, it's riveting.

Bilge Ebiri : Spielberg's LINCOLN is the best film Roberto Rossellini never made. Also one of the best Spielberg did make. Also I think Kushner is as much the auteur of LINCOLN as Spielberg is. His understanding of myth, process, history is all over this.

David Ehrlich : Abraham Lincoln: Vote Hunter. Best movie ever made for TV? Spielberg restrained. Musty, redundant, bearded. LINCOLN is Spielberg's smallest film since ALWAYS. Best when portraying a man isolated by incalculable burden. Script divided against itself.

Katey Rich : Lincoln's got the best ensemble of bearded character actors ever. The quality of the movie varies wildly based on how many are on screen. Best parts of LINCOLN are the 19th century In The Loop you never knew you wanted. The rest can feel like a bear.

Reverse Shot : LINCOLN: Sophisticated, erudite political procedural from Spielberg and Kushner. Genuinely superb.

Andrew Ku : Lincoln movie is unlike any other Spielberg movie in that it's almost entirely driven by dialogue instead of action or visuals.

Clayton Davis : LINCOLN soars and Spielbergs best in years. Smartly written, politically emotional. Very well directed.

Murtada Elfadl : Solid historical entertainment. Surprised by its humor. Better than Amistad but in same vein. Lincoln makes a sorta thriller out of passing law. Misses in connecting story to real people except briefly with Tommy Lee Jones.

popgirlnyc : Daniel Day-Lewis completely embodies the POTUS. Kushner's writing is brilliant. Spielberg works magic.

Victor Dos Santos : Lincoln was alright, Day Lewis was okay he's done better and with better material. And it was really really slow. My God, what a snore. Spielberg should try and stop making War Horse 2 and start making something... less generic.

CraigR. : DDL gives a tour de force performance, too bad the film is a dullish bore. Good luck getting through this one!

Bram Benderoff : Spielberg has lost his touch. It's just too dull and boring to recommend.

Evan Schwartz : A six hour lecture on the 1800s would be more interesting than #Lincoln. Fucking bland movie.

Chris Narine : #Lincoln was awful, one of the worst films of the year.

TurtleMoneyz : Daniel Day Lewis' performance can't save the 2 hour long borefest that is Lincoln. Yawn. Lincoln is already one of the most overrated movies of the year. Sigh. Piece of crap movie.

Voilà, ça vaut ce que ça vaut.

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Bilge Ebiri : [b]Spielberg's LINCOLN is the best film Roberto Rossellini never made.

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Bilge Ebiri : [b]Spielberg's LINCOLN is the best film Roberto Rossellini never made.

T'AS KIFFEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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Et une 3e critique (plus partagée) sur The Playlist :

Characterized by refreshing restraint, its passionate convictions and patience, if Steven Spielberg’s worst tendencies are his propensity for the sentimental and overwrought (as evinced recently in much of “War Horse”), his latest, “Lincoln,” thankfully possesses almost none of those unfortunate traits. However, as a two hour procedural about the ratification of an amendment in the House Of Representatives (does anything sound more appealing as a premise to you?), "Lincoln" is also not exactly the most engaging nor well-paced picture either.

Pitched somewhere between the staid nature of “Amistad,” “Schindler's List” and the far less treacly and inspiring latter half of “War Horse,” Spielberg himself unveiled an “unfinished” screening of “Lincoln” at the New York Film Festival this evening describing it as a "privilege" to go on this journey in exploring the politicians legacy. But to the untrained eye, it would be difficult to discern what exactly was incomplete other than a minutely-detailed framework that could use a much tighter pace and rhythm.

Marked by a forceful, but nicely muted performance by Daniel Day-Lewis as the 16th President of the United States, perhaps the film’s greatest asset is the consummate scene stealer Tommy Lee Jones as Radical Republican Congressional leader Thaddeus Stevens. A fervent abolitionist, while Stevens and Lincoln are ostensibly on the same side of aiming to end slavery, their methods are thoroughly different; Stevens charging ahead while Lincoln offering the composure of a cool tactician.

Beginning in the fall of 1864, in the midst of Lincoln’s second term as President, while the bloody Civil War is still raging, it looks like it has an end in sight. However, Lincoln’s primary concern before it closes is abolishing slavery beyond the Emancipation Proclamation (an executive order only good during war time) and delivering a lasting and honorable freedom.

Adapted by Tony Kushner (who penned Spielberg’s last great film “Munich”) and based on the book “Team of Rivals: The Political Genius of Abraham Lincoln,” the film centers on the quiet genius of the nation’s leader who has to reconcile conflicting personalities, warring political factions and a treacherous political climate on the rocky path to abolition and victory in the U.S. Civil War.

And so while not attempting to become an over-reaching greatest hits biopic, “Lincoln” zeroes in on these last few months before the 13th Amendment was ratified with Fincher-like precision and committment. As such, “Lincoln” is heavy on the politics to a fault, and the dramatic speeches and the charged atmospheres of opposing forces in the House of Representatives. But at times, this procedural nature of the film -- Lincoln and his Secretary of State worrying about the 20 votes they need to uphold the proposed alteration of the law -- can be tedious and trying. Surprisingly though, “Lincoln” does have a hearty sense of humor and Kushner cracks out some witty bon mots, but perhaps in the editing process the film can be tightened to discard its lullingly dull agendum moments and focus on the moments that engage.

Co-starring a myriad cadre of supporting actors in its ensemble -- Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Lincoln’s son Robert who must fight in the war despite his parents wishes, Jared Harris as Ulysses S. Grant, Lee Pace as former Mayor of New York City Fernando Wood, Jackie Earle Haley as Vice President of the Confederate States of America Alexander H. Stephens, and various congressman, senators, low-level operatives and politicians played by Walton Goggins, Bruce McGill, Wayne Duvall, Michael Stuhlbarg, James Spader, John Hawkes, Hal Holbrook and more -- all of these actors do fine work, but none get a lot of screen time to really resonate. Faring far better is Sally Field as Lincoln’s dutiful, but intractable wife Mary Todd Lincoln and David Strathairn as Secretary of State William Seward (David Warshofsky, Tim Blake Nelson, David Oyelowo and Adam Driver also have small parts and cameos). Gloria Reuben, plays Elizabeth Keckley, a civic activist and confidante of Mary Todd Lincoln, but her role unfortunately is summed up as token African-American figure used to represent the painful emotional struggle while watching the House bicker and squabble.

Painted in a musty brown and blue, cinematographer Janusz Kamiński does a commendable job of making an inherently unattractive palette look borderline beautiful, especially when dealing with the tonalities of chiaroscuro, but a mostly ugly palette it ultimately is. Thankfully, John Williams' score, easily the worst offender in Spielberg’s “War Horse,” is, like the picture, solemn, well-controlled and moving with a dignified air of grace.

While admirable in its unwavering and committed portrait of an inherently mostly undramatic subject (the approbation of a constitutional amendment, albeit perhaps the most important one in history), ultimately, “Lincoln” reads, at least right now, like a prosaic, semi-compelling history lesson; the type teachers showed to you in school when they saw your eyes glazing over prerequisite text (one you need to know, but not one you're likely going to seek out on your own). With 10 Best Picture nominations available, it seems “Lincoln” should easily procure one of the ten slots, but it would be a surprise to see the film become a threat beyond the actors. Even then Daniel Day-Lewis is perhaps a little too subtle and in-the-pocket for a win and if there’s a stand-out, it’s likely Tommy Lee Jones who should be a sure-fire nominee in the Best Supporting category. “Lincoln” isn’t all slow and dull. It has occasional sparks, some tremendous actors doing estimable work and its “climax” is perhaps the most dynamic and thrilling representation of a body of people voting on any law in the history of film. But it’s also, at least in this “unfinished” form, not especially remarkable, enjoyable or wholly compelling. “Lincoln” has its moments and is replete with talent, but in its current state, it could use a lot more finessing before it's delivered to the screen in full. The audience however, generally had a favorable response to the picture, so it will curious to see what, if any, changes and tweaks are made.

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Bilge Ebiri : [b]Spielberg's LINCOLN is the best film Roberto Rossellini never made.

T'AS KIFFEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

J'essaie déjà de comprendre le rapport.
Sinon je kiffe bien ça qui annonce la couleur : "This is a film the likes of which hasn't Been seen in many years on screen. You must if you believe in the greatness of America and in all America has to offer we the people."

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J'essaie déjà de comprendre le rapport.

J'avoue que, du peu que je connais l'oeuvre de Rossellini, je peine à saisir le lien.

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Sinon je kiffe bien ça qui annonce la couleur : "This is a film the likes of which hasn't Been seen in many years on screen. You must if you believe in the greatness of America and in all America has to offer we the people."

C'est un peu malhonnête de se focaliser sur la réaction de Whoopi Goldberg plutôt que sur celles des critiques de cinéma.

Dont voici justement plus de réactions :

Robert Koehler ‏: On LINCOLN, look less to "West Wing" than Preminger's ANATOMY OF A MURDER. SS has schooled on Otto P for this; Kushner, though, dominates.

Eugene Hernandez ‏: Just saw LINCOLN at #NYFF. Swept up by grand Americana theatricality & strong perfs. 1800s West Wing? A bit. Engrossing political melodrama!

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C'est un peu malhonnête de se focaliser sur la réaction de Whoopi Goldberg plutôt que sur celles des critiques de cinéma.

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Ah oui donc c'est vraiment partagé. Pas sûr que ça me plaise ceci dit même si je suis curieux de voir comme Spielberg traite un sujet pareil.

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